Guards! Guards! has one of the first Big Deal Discworld moments for me, and I’m not very good at articulating what that means.
The moment I’m thinking of is the dragon’s speech to Wonse – “we were supposed to be cruel, cunning, heartless and terrible. But…we never burned and tortured and ripped one another apart and called it morality.” That’s a passage that always makes me stop and reread it a couple of times. And it’s a small moment – it’s the only time we hear the dragon speak at all, and it’s a speech that has no bearing on the rest of the story. It could have been taken out of the book entirely and nothing would feel like it was missing. But the fact that it’s there is a Big Deal moment. The great big monstrous antagonist’s judgment of humanity is unavoidable in its accuracy.
And the Discworld series is full of moments like that. Sometimes it’s just one line, sometimes it’s a full scene, and most of the book is so full of shenanigans coming so quickly one after another that you don’t always see the Big Deal moments coming. We think of Pratchett as a humor/satire writer and yes, the books are hilarious, but in between the jokes are these Big Deal moments that casually rearrange our perspective and stick with us even after we think we’ve forgotten.
Then there are the other Big Deal Moments, that are Emotional Meteorite Strike Moments (e.g. the phrase “that is not my cow” can now instantly put me in the fetal position) but I’m having a hard enough time describing this one as it is so I’ll probably go on a tirade about those ‘round about that One Part in Feet of Clay. (You know the one.)
Suggestion: Reblog this with your favorite Big Deal Moment.
YES. It’s so fun hearing everyone’s Big Deal Moments! (although choosing just one is so hard…)
I think my favorite one changes, but right now it’s in Feet of Clay:
The vampire looked from the golem to Vimes.
“You gave one of them a voice?” he said.
“Yes,”
said Dorfl. He reached down and picked up the vampire in one hand. “I
Could Kill You,” he said. “This Is An Option Available To Me As A
Free-Thinking Individual But I Will Not Do So Because I Own Myself And I
Have Made A Moral Choice.”“Oh, gods,” murmured Vimes under his breath.
“That’s blasphemy,” said the vampire.
He gasped as Vimes shot him a glance like sunlight. “That’s what people say when the voiceless speak.”
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Describing Terry Pratchett’s books is difficult. Someone asked me what the book I was reading was about, and I had to tell them it was about banking and the gold standard, but like in a cool way with golems and action.
I don’t think they believed me.
welcome to the club
It is so, so difficult to explain to people that your favorite book is about transgender feminist dwarves, Nazi werewolves, and the mystery of a missing piece of really old ritual bread. And Opera saves the day.
yes, give us those sweet, sweet, terrible descriptions
A tortoise who’s really a god, finds an allegory for Jesus and they go on adventures in an ancient greece like place and then a desert
The chief of police averts a rerun of an ancient war, partially despite and partially because of being possessed by a dying dwarf’s graffiti
A mysterious island rises from the pcean starting a war over who gets to claim it that is only stoppec when both armies are arrested.
A bunch of time-travelling monks send a man back to become his own mentor, he tries to fix things but nothing changes, never gets a hard-boiled egg.
It wasn’t a decision that he was making, he knew. It was happening far below the areas of the brain that made decisions. It was something built in. There was no universe, anywhere, where a Sam Vimes would give in on this, because if he did then he wouldn’t be Sam Vimes any more.
&
He wanted to go home. He wanted it so much that he trembled at the thought. But if the price of that was selling good men to the night, if the price was filling those graves, if the price was not fighting with every trick he knew… then it was too high.
&
‘Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? Your grace.’
‘I know that one,’ said Vimes. Who watches the watchmen? Me, Mr Pessimal.’
‘Ah, but who watches you, your grace?’ said the inspector, with a brief smile.
‘I do that too. All the time,’ said Vimes.
&
When people are trying to kill you, it means you’re doing something right. It was a rule Sam had lived by.
&
‘Ramkins have never run away from anything’ Sybil declared.
‘Vimeses have run like hell all the time,’ said Vimes, too diplomatic to mention the aforesaid ancestors who came home in pieces. ‘That means you fight where you want to fight.’
&
‘Taking a force there now could have far-reaching consequences, Vimes!’
‘Good! You told me to drag them into the light! As far as they’re concerned, I am far-reaching consequences!’
sam ‘no, you move’ vimes
So I was just thinking about those posts you get in the Discworld tag about the way belief works on the Disc and how Vetinari and/or Vimes is so integral to the way Ankh-Morpork works that they might just sort of… not ever die.
You know, the ones like ‘Vimes is going to become a god of policemen and he’s going to hate it”.
Well. What if it happens to both of them? There are two parts to the city, after all. ‘Proud Ankh’ needs taking down a peg or two (or seven) by Sam Vimes, and if anyone can terrify ‘pestilent Morpork’ into being better then it’s Havelock Vetinari. And they can drive each other mad with stealth puns for centuries, if they want.
Also, this would potentially make them literally Law And Order, and that just seems very fitting in a way that would probably annoy them both.
My favourite sort of riff on this is the idea that they aren’t there ALL the time, but if someone who’s taken over their authority or whatever starts fucking up, they become Active.
Sort of like Carrot’s comment in Men At Arms: when you need them, you REALLY need them, but when you don’t, best if they just go away and get on with things (in their cases, being dead). So when things are going all right it’s very quiet and ordinary.
And then when things start going WRONG suddenly you have things like the current patrician waking up to a Very Angry Manifestation of the Late Duke of Ankh, proceeding to remind him or her (would it be matrician, then?) about How Things Are Done (By Law).
Or the abusive Commander of the Watch coming into his or her office to find a calm man, thin man like a predatory flamingo there to discuss the virtues of temperance and accountability and not having his/her Watch-house and/or personal lodgings being literally struck from on high by a meteor (can’t be lightning, Vimes and Io can’t even exchange a civil sentence, but Vimes has always been good at getting around these things).
And yes in the mean time when things ARE quiet, they can watch everything and get on each other’s nerves and it’s basically like Colon’s office except instead of for old street monsters it’s for ancient legends of civil justice who can’t quite stand to even fade away and still have enough people believing and invoking them that they can stick around and growl when people get out of line.
Any thoughts on Discworld daemons, if you don’t mind me asking?
Vimes has a mutt.
There’s really not a nicer way to describe her, a bow-legged cross between a terrier and a feral sewer rat, mostly the color of dishwater. And she doesn’t really clean up—it becomes more embarrassing after he’s married Sybil, whose pygmy hippo daemon can go from placid river god to defensive bellowing ferocity in seconds flat, and might as well have stepped from the Morpork coat of arms. But even freshly cleaned and trussed in a gold ducal collar, his daemon looks like it was dragged backwards through a nasty bit of the Ankh.
she’s a patient tracker, though, and a rat-worrier and a sheep-herder and a snarling, protective beast—there must be some wolf in that mongrel of yours, Wolfgang tells him on that snowy plain, and Vimes figures it’s pretty likely, he’s got a wolf in him too.
Vetinari has a golden orb-weaver, who only occasional deigns to make an appearance—usually resting on the back of Vetinari’s hand, as if to make a point. (There are heads of guilds with enormous bull daemons who shiver in fear of that little spider, on that pale hand.)
Carrot has a frankly impressive lioness, whose presence made the whole watch-house fall silent the first time Carrot walked in. Vimes had been a little taken aback at the sight of her, gold and somehow not of their world, standing in their grubby and undistinguished midst.
(No one has ever asked Carrot about her, not even Angua, who has her own lovely wolfdog daemon.)
Moist has a mockingbird who perches on his shoulder, the same color as dust and utterly forgettable. (In his old glory days, he would sometimes bring a turtle or mouse with him, hiding her under his hat—sorry, wrong daemon is not an ironclad alibi, but it’s enough of a distraction to run away.) She gets along well with Spike’s terrifying peregrine, though she’s a little too excited by the feeling of being snatched out of the air in Moist’s opinion.
William de Worde has a hedgehog, who immediately curled up in a ball when faced with Sacharissa Cripslock’s ermine. (It took a while to get him to relax.)
Witches tend toward cats—or women with cat daemons turn out to be witches, they never quite decided that one. Granny Weatherwax has pure grey cat, utterly unremarkable in every way but that. (She has always been privately disappointed in him, for it. She would have preferred something a little more imposing, more obviously witchy—which, of course, is ridiculous, it is choosing that makes a witch, not her nature. But still.)
Nanny has a fat piebald cat whose amorous adventures with other daemons rival Greebo’s—he’s been known to slip off for days, only returning when Nanny is called out. Magrat has a cream shorthair who looks very handsome beside Verence’s—slightly excitable, a little graceless—hare. Even Susan, though technically not a witch, has a cat daemon, a sleek black thing that likes to play with the Death of Rats when he’s bored.
Tiffany is among the few witches who doesn’t have a cat daemon—hers doesn’t settle until she faces the hiver, until she ushers it through the black door to its death. Afterwards, Tiffany Aching knows herself to be a witch, and walks the downs with her sheepdog daemon at her side, her hat full of sky.
Sgt Colin has a mild, pleasant brown toad, a sit-and-see kind of predator. Something with the patience to outlast storms, and droughts, and long frosts. Something with a set territory and a bottomless stomach, something that can launch itself sudden, startling blur to become the last thing the unwary insect ever sees.
Nobby Nobbs, well— no one actually knows what his daemon is. She’s as matted and filthy and scrofulous as the rest of him, a dark, oil-iridescent clot of fur— or are those bristles? or matted feathers?— nestled in between the collar of his breastplate and the dirt-stiff rim of his shirt. Rat? Pigeon? Spider? No one wants to ask. No one wants an answer. Sometimes she will extend one scaly, brittle claw out into the open air, and he will deposit into it a sugar cube, or a coin, or a bright little shard of glass, and she— whatever she is whatever she’s named— will retreat into the comfortable hollow of his armor, purring and pleased.
She can scream like hell though, and frequently will.
Dorfl, of course, has a phoenix— when he opened his mouth to speak his first word, there she was, a scrap of flame, on his tongue.
I love roachpatrol’s thoughts. The image of Dorfl’s daemon being born is beautiful.
I think witches would have birds, like in HDM. I see Granny with a goose; Nanny with a robin-red-breast and Magrat with a corn crake. Agnes has a nightingale and Tiffany a curlew.
Through the piping lines of the Unseen University, there are bees.
No one knows where they come from. No one knows what they eat or where they keep their hive; they buzz softly but in a way that it sounds like many mechanical things clicking together, and when they rise all at once, it sounds like the beginning of a voice.
And always, they cluster near the parts of Hex; the tubing that runs through the University like a hermit crab in a shell just right for it, and a careful eye notes that their buzzing matches perfectly to Hex’s eternal noise; the clicking of the clockwork, the tapping of the keys, the steps of the ants.
The students swear they have never seen the bees more than a short distance away from Hex, and always around the senior wizards or the High Energy facility, and they move around Ponder Stibbons like a particularly noisy halo so he looks like an apiary angel.
Mr Stibbons tells the truth when he says there were never any bees until they turned on Hex. And one day, in the moving of the machinery, there arose but just one single perfect bee.
No one knows when the swarm came. Just like no one knows when Hex became something more than the sum of parts.
But when the bees fly and Hex is working, buzz and machinery a duet, it sounds like the voice of a soul.
The undead still have souls, which is why they’re allowed in the Watch, and by extension integrated into human-dominated society. Reg Shoe’s parrot is a transparent, repetitive thing with a small tinny voice, like the echo of a kitten at the bottom of a tin bath. But that’s just Reg Shoe.
Of course dwarves have souls; strange ones, but theologically undeniable. There have always been mutters that dwarves steal the souls, or that the strangely-silent animals are actually trained pets; but they do seem satisfyingly dwarvish, the sombre badgers and mole rats and burrowing owls, and they generally don’t cause trouble, and one must trade after all.
But Cheery’s pink fairy armadillo is instantly recognizable as a daemon, and a nicely dwarvish one to human sensibilities, a very small burrowing animal. Though to the dwarves, the fussy little thing with its delicate pink armor and pristine white fur is a slightly embarrassing thing to have on public display. Not only that, but the daemon speaks in public – allowing his high, breathy, querulous voice to be commonly read as male, implying that Cheery is by extension female.
At her interview for the position at the Watch, she gathers her courage in both hands and introduces the daemon to Vimes as
Roz’querkluftertz
, her heart hammering at the wrongness and intimacy of it. (Vimes helpfully points out the location of the spittoon) and she says “No, it’s, er, a kind of pink, er, rock,” and Vimes’s face goes all hollow and he sort of stares off into the distance, and she can practically hear the rusty machinery of his brain trying to process this new information on How Not To Be A Racist Prick To The New Diversity Hire into something he can make sense of.
”Is it,” Vimes says finally, the last mental gear clunking into place, where it appears to stick.
“It’s a very pretty sort of rock,” Cheery says humbly, trying to help. “But quite rare and I’m sure it hasn’t come up in conversation before.”
”Not like gold,” Vimes says sourly.
”Probably not,” Cheery says carefully, trying to avoid the pitfall trap that is talking about gold among dwarves.
Her daemon himself pipes up suddenly in his high, scholarly little voice, and Vimes looks at him in surprise: “Roz’querkluftertz is not considered valuable to dwarves at all, in the sense that gold is inherently valuable; it is,” – and here Roz’querkluftertz gives his fussy little academic cough, “considered hr’azdkha, which is to say, valuable because of its work or properties; namely, in the case of this mineral, being useful to alchemical research, as well as being beautiful, in the homely comfortable sort of way that is rarely reflected in songs. And, of course, pink.”
”Never heard a dwarf’s daemon talk before,” Vimes’s terrier says. Her voice is beautiful, deep and hoarse and husky, like a smoke-broken bar singer.
”We’re a bit odd,” Cheery says.
”You’ll do,” the terrier says.
”I’ve always liked, er, pink,” says Vimes, pitching himself courageously along the conversation, and Cheery’s heart sort of goes out to him a bit, because you can see that somewhere behind that casually hurtful sneer, in that dark and ill-kempt machine of his brain, the man is trying to be Good with a capital G, and most people don’t care that much.
”Me too,” she says, her hand curling around the little tube of Violently Pink Like The Blood Of Thine Enemies lipstick she’d bought in the market that morning. “I’ve always liked pink.”
Someone just liked this post from a million years ago and it reminded me that “Roz’querkluftertz” was actually some kind of Pune, or Play On Words, and I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS, so I had to back-google it,
and it’s a mashup of the German word Rosenquarz (rose quartz) and the Saxon term “querkluftertz” (cross-vein-ore).
THAT’S NOT EVEN FUNNY ELODIE WHY DO YOU MAKE SO MUCH WORK FOR YOURSELF???
It IS funny, and witty, and clever. If the peculiar titles and quotations of Mr Nutt’s Überwaldean philosophy texts (in ”Unseen Academicals”) are anything to go by, that sort of mashup would have been right up Terry’s street (Rührwörtergasse 7a).
This whole sequence is pleasing in many different ways.
If I may:
Trolls, it is commonly believed, don’t have daemons. It’s one of the salient points in the ongoing dwarves vs. dwarves debate, not to mention one of the reasons why humans generally find trolls to be rather unsettling.
Among the trolls, however, it is well known that your soul is something you make, or something given to you, or something you keep on you. It might be your grandfather’s club or a favorite boulder but it’s something that’s intrinsically yours.
Detritus’ soul is a special helmet which cools his brain down so that he can think more quickly in the Ankh-Morpork heat. It was made for him by a dwarf, which many trolls feel isn’t really *proper* for a troll’s soul, but no one is going to fight him on it. Cuddy’s daemon had put extra special care into helping creating it before they vanished into a cloud of golden Dust.
Rincewind’s daemon is an opossum – a strange little creature that doesn’t mesh well with the rest of the world, and would rather run or play dead than fight, but is mean as hell when backed into a corner.
Archancellor Ridcully’s daemon is a bull moose. Wizards are the sort of fellows who tend to have same-gender daemons as often as they have different-gender daemons. (Because women and wizard magic just don’t naturally mix, of course.) The moose is huge, gets in the way pretty much constantly, and really can’t be brought down by anything short of the world ending.
Ponder Stibbons has a crow, one of those dangerously intelligent corvids that know how to use tools and can count. She has a sharp wit and often says what Ponder is thinking but would never actually say aloud. It’s a rather annoying habit, as far as Ponder is concerned.
No one knows what the Librarian’s daemon was before he became ape-shaped, or if she changed at all between then and now. She is, of course, a female orangutan who only says “Ook!” and becomes just as angry as the Librarian when someone uses the m-word.
Young Sam’s daemon has a habit of mimicking his father’s daemon, except quite less scruffy. Sybil has sometimes walked into the nursery and caught all four of them sound asleep, Young Sam on Vimes’s chest and a big-pawed, fluffy golden retriever puppy curled up with the mud-colored mutt.
Just some warm fuzzies on the Friday before classes start. The phases of a Sam Vimes/Sybil Ramkin hug, I commissioned it from pmendicant, please check out pmendicant’s art at http://pmendicant.tumblr.com/ (it is wonderful).
Doesn’t matter, I’m your dad now.
hey do you know what’s super cool
each Discworld series has a sort of set of key themes, which match the key characters, and all the books in that series centre round the theme
for example the Witches’ books are all centred around words and their power, so it’s all theatre and plays and stories and fairytales and opera and shakespeare – because on the Disc the power of witches comes through words
and the Death books are all about great big capital-lettered human concepts, like Justice, Oblivion, Hope, Belief, and Time, because after all, that’s what exactly Death is (only he happens to have developed a conscience and a like of cats)
and then the Vimes books are all about people, and people in charge of other people, and how the people in charge of other people are perhaps best suited to not being people at all, and instead being something much more harmless like a teapot, and so you’ve got so so many repeated themes of mobs of people and kings of people and the importance of caring about the little people because the big people are too busy being big to give a damn and each Vimes book has more and more types of people, dwarves, werewolves, trolls, gargoyles, feegles, zombies, goblins, even vampires… because the whole point of Watch is people – to keep the bad people away from the not-currently-bad-people & keep the occasionally-alright-people safe.
anyway, basically, Terry Pratchett’s a genius.
I have never noticed this before. What about Rincewind’s stories? Is there a theme there?
ok so compiling what some lovely people (x, x, x, x, x) have said about the main themes of Rincewind’s:
running, destiny, running, sanity in an insane place, running, the world (and all it’s dangers), science (and all it’s dangers), anything and everything you really don’t want to do, running (including the planned benefits of running and the accidental benefits of running), fear (and how it’s actually a pretty smart thing), cowardice (and how it’s also a pretty smart thing), trust, screwing your reputation up the buttock, screwing your destiny up the buttock, self-acceptance, self-realisation, running, survival, accidental survival, survival through running…
so, to summarise, I guess the Rincewind books are about screwing up destiny/reputation/science/the world by running away from them as fast as possible in the opposite direction
@insomniabug, these are gr8 precis for each subseries!
You build little worlds, little stories, little shells around your minds, and that keeps infinity at bay and allows you to wake up in the morning without screaming!
A Hat Full of Sky is important (not only because Tiffany starts calling Mistress Weatherwax “Granny”, and they dance together through a swarm of bees, and Granny asks her whether she’s ready to be a witch by noonlight, which is a word Tiffany decided that should exist when she was 9, or because she decides when she’s old she’ll wear midnight and she’ll wear green now, or because she notices that Granny gets tired easily, and she checks her breathing when she sleeps, but) because everything that’s coded as monstrous, actually, just… isn’t.
There’s a lady with two noses and four hands and four legs and she has a steadier grip in her left right hand but better eyesight in her right-hand eyes. There’s an invisible presence that slams the cutlery drawer… when you don’t let it put the knives in their right place. There’s an immortal hivemind that possesses and consumes entities because it doesn’t have a body or a mind; it only has fear. But it isn’t evil.
“Welcome,” said Tiffany.
Welcome? said the hiver in Tiffany’s own voice.
“Yes. You are welcome in this place. You are safe here.”
No! We are never safe!
“You are safe here,” Tiffany repeated.
Please! said the hiver. Shelter us!
“(…) You hid in other creatures. (…) What are you hiding from?”
Everything, said the hiver.
What the hiver wants is the third wish; make this not have happened. But Tiffany doesn’t kill the hiver (which has killed before), and she doesn’t exorcise/purify/otherwise cleanse it. She gives it a voice; you’re not a hive, you’re you. You’re not anxiety and fear, you’re what feels them. She doesn’t make the hiver end, she just eases the way. “You’ll spend the rest of your life learning what’s already in your bones”, says Granny. That you’re alive. That you can walk the desert. That you are you.
(via ironhammer)
Witches When Faced with an Antagonist
New Witch: I’ll do a spell to make them go away. First I need twelve candles, three kinds of crystals, five different herbs, and when’s the next full moon?
Intermediate Witch: Eh, how’s one candle and a mushroom I found in my pocket for a curse? It goes “I hate you please die.”
Experienced Witch: Probably faster just to tell them to fuck off.
magrat
nanny ogg
granny weatherwax
This might be the best response I’ve seen to this post yet.
100% true response is true.


