Tag: frerin

Angsty bit … After Azanulbizar, Thrain and Groin have six kids to mind between them. Trying to keep them all fed and clothed is a challenge, especially while remembering all the dead folks.

oh fuck of course they would, oh my god OF COURSE

Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Oin, Gloin and Dis

owwwwwwww

now I need the Angsty Ongoing Adventures of Thrain and Groin, both of whom are mourning the loss of family and spouse and damn-near EVERYONE, even as they try to care for six of the most stubborn, traumatised, determined and badass teens & kids everrrr

(Groin would shoot off his mouth when worried, as though arguing with Fundin like he always does… and Thrain ofc cannot respond the way his brother did. It falls flat, they both fall silent… 

Groin saying ‘Haban’ thoughtlessly, without thinking, and

Thrain freezes in place, Groin’s throat trying to choke the next words, after … 

Thrain sighing over the kids as they discuss what to do about them, this time, Dwalin’s so young, he’s so angry, and wee Gloin doesn’t quite understand, and he absently says, ‘I’ll see what Da thinks…’ or perhaps ‘Thorin, Frerin and Dis…’ before he remembers that it isn’t anymore, there’s no Da, it’s not Thorin-Frerin-and-Dis… 

and oh GOD the silence. The awful silence that follows.)

Angsty bit … Frerinith complaining to Dis about being the youngest sibling and always being last and fussed over so much. It is awkward. See also Wee Thorin and Dori commiserating over being the oldest sib/the responsible one.

oh cripes

that IS awkward. Ooooh, awkward. 

But… oddly, for Sansukh, anyway… also, accurate. Because the youngest of the three children of Thrain and Fris is now the oldest. She’s 250+. 

(hope you like being the middle child, Thorin…)

Thror watching Azanulbizar from the Halls (I think you once mentioned that Azanulbizar followed books canon and happened bc of Thror’s death?), unable to do anything. Watching his grandson die and his son descend into madness after being captured. Knowing it was al because he went and got himself killed on a suicide mission.

so this is exactly what happened in Sansukh hey

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How different you think the quest/Thorin’s life would’ve been had Frerin survived the battle and lived by his side?

oooooh.

Very different, to be honest. I think Thorin would have been less sombre, less inclined to be alone in his thoughts. He would have laughed more readily. 

I suspect that Frerin would have smoothed over a lot of ruffled feathers during the Quest. I can imagine our quick, cheerful Dawning Sun being his ray-of-sunshine self and charming the socks off every Elf… perhaps not Lindir, of course, but a few food-fights and a few barbed comments towards Elrond (”he made no mention of you”) might have been forgiven far more readily when the nice blond Dwarf is doing some diplomatic schmoozing. 

I doubt Frerin would have failed to spot a frikking gigantic stone dwarf staircase.

IDK, there’s a few ways it could play out, Nonnie! Frerin might also succumb to gold-sickness, or he might not. The way I write him, he’s a peacemaker by nature… and so Bilbo might have had help in his plan. 

I tell you something I know in my bones, though – there’s no way that Frerin would have let Thorin and his nephews (who after all, would have known him, and loved him) GO UP TO RAVENHILL WITHOUT HIM

Imagine Thorin being the Very Best Bro he can be, which is a pretty good brother indeed. He watches out for Frerin, and does his best to make his brother feel needed. He supports Dis whenever he can.

He does that already, so I don’t have to imagine very hard. ❤ Looks after Frerin, never ever makes him feel small or unimportant. Tries to protect him from things that would hurt him. Watches over Dis, does everything he can to ease her grief – up to and including speaking to a Dwarf he barely knows (Gimli) to bring her comfort. 

He’s a very very good big Bro!

how do you think dwarven aging works? like–are they babies for the same amount of time as men and then age slower like elves do? do they reach physical maturity before they come of age? I’m trying to wrap my head around age equivalents and it’s not exactly working. especially when I try to think of Dain at Azanulbizar.

Hey Nonnie!

Hoo boy, I have written a LOT on this in the past: here’s some of my ramblings, here’s some more, and some more, and some more, and some more. There’s nothing really definitive in canon, and what there is is a little contradictory.

Basically, it boils down to this:

– We know that around 40-45, a Dwarf would be physically grown – or close. (Dain was 32 at Azanulbizar, and Frerin was 48…)

– However, Gimli is too young to join the Quest for Erebor, and he was 62.

– This suggests that they are bodily mature far earlier than they come of age?

– Emotional maturation generally continues for a longer period of time than physical maturation, at least in humans.

– Kili is 77 at the time of the Quest, and he is the youngest.

– With all this taken into account, I headcanon that Dwarves ‘come of age’ at 70 years old. They’d grow quite quickly – Wee Thorin is 37, from memory, and he is nearly as tall as Gimli… though he is the equivalent of 12 years old emotionally and intellectually.

(believe me, I teach 12 year olds WAY taller than me.)

Then they’d enjoy a long adulthood, very resistant to change and age and disease (Mahal made ‘em hardy, after all!)… before they crumbled comparatively swiftly at the end of their lifespan.

On a prompt site (won’t mention which one, but it should be pretty obvious) and looking for Dain prompts, thinking that a drabble will get me out of my writing slump and back to my WIP. Instead, I find a post about Dain stealing another dwarf’s spouse because he’s the king now and can do what he wants. Do you have any nice Dain thoughts (not prompts, just cute/happy thoughts about him)?

Yikes.

This is the way I cope, dear Nonnie: I tell myself that this particular character is not Dain. That’s some nasty OC with Dain’s name. Dain is nothing like that. 

Here’s some nice Dain ideas I am just rattling off:

– Dain loves to walk up behind Thira and hold her gently by the hips, resting his chin on the soft, smooth dark skin of her neck. Nothing salacious or pressuring about it. Just loves to hold her that way, smelling her and being near her warmth.

– Dain has raised every single pig in his sty, and names every single one. EVERY ONE. Even the ones that only live for a day. (and you’d better believe he weeps for them).

– Thorin Stonehelm used to clamber atop his father’s shoulders and tug on his hair as though riding a battle-ram. Dain ended up with slight bald patches over his temples. He filled them in with tattoos, and stared down any Dwarf who dared suggest that the loss was unfortunate. What on Mahal’s good earth was more important than the happiness and laughter of his son??

– Before Erebor fell, it wasn’t uncommon for Dwarflings to toboggan down the gentler foothills of the Mountain. On Dain’s one and only visit before the dragon came (he was a BABY when Smaug invaded), Dis and Thorin bundled the tiny thing onto a sled (Frerin thought it was a bad idea) and gave it a gentle push, intending to guide it along. It soon gained too much momentum, and sped out of their reach, zooming over the flat. When the three finally caught up with their miniscule cousin, he was laughing so uproariously that he was nearly blue, unable to catch his breath. 

– Dain plays fiddle. He’s rather good.

– Not many have seen the mourning marks that Dain bears. He doesn’t wear his as publically as Dis does. He prefers to keep his public decoration less personal.

They spiral over his chest in concentric circles, one after the next.

(There are a lot.)

– Children are always clamouring to hear Dain read their story-books. He reads aloud the bestest of everybody ever. He does the voices and acts out the stories and sings silly little songs, and they are simply amazing. He even captures the adults when he reads, and there’s laughter and joining-in with the songs, and clapping along, and gasping when the children do. All the early childhood teachers agree that he’d make a fortune… well, if the whole Kinging thing doesn’t work out in the long term. 

So all of Dwalin’s kids have some stuff that related to their namesake. Wee Thorin has a set of (nicely decorated) combs and brushes that Dis made for Thorin Oakenshield for his 175th and can’t bear to look at anymore. Balinith has some of Balin’s books and use of his favorite armchair. Frerinith has some of Frerin’s toys. He especially likes the blocks, spending hours piling them in pretty patterns.

I made sad whimpery gaspy sounds all through reading this, Nonnie.

Ohhhhhhhhh ❤