So what do Fili and Kili’s family in the halls think of them? They never met any of their grandparents or great-grandparents when they were alive, after all.

Tillis and Var are utterly in love with them. They’d forgive them anything. Ever. They laugh at their pranks, sigh fondly at their mischief. Tillis fusses over Fili and tries to lessen his self-appointed guardianship and responsibilities, and Var jokes and tussles about with Kili.

Hrera huffs quite a bit. She pretends utter horror over Kili’s hair, but actually adores getting her paws on him and combing it. It’s such fine hair, why does he never take decent care of it? He’s nearly as bad as that Gimli. Such disarray. Tch.

She is hugely proud of both of them, but will not take any of their ‘nonsense’ as she calls it. She is not above resorting to bribes to get them to behave around her (Broadbeam Dumpling Soup, oh yes!). Now and then she wonders how stern, steely-eyed Dis ever produced such ruffians – and then she glances at merry-faced, laughing Vili, and wonders no more.

Thror is a constant but unobtrusive presence for both the boys. They were very apprehensive at first: Thror is a mighty figure, and everything he did, both the good and the bad, changed the face of the world forever. But this quiet, self-deprecating Dwarrow with the sad eyes isn’t quite what they were expecting. Thror provides a quiet haven for them. He loves them dearly, and wishes he could have seen them grow up, grow old.

Frerin – well <3. Frerin at first resents the heck out of them. He waited so long for his brother, so so long. And these two Dwarrows (and Thorin turns to them before he turns to Frerin, that is unfair) are who Thorin thinks of before anyone else. They are taller than him, and older than him, and will not call him uncle. He doesn’t know where he fits in. He doesn’t know his role for a long time. This time is investigated in more depth in Twelve Months and Fifty Years.

Eventually, as we see, Frerin connects with his brother again. He finds his place in Thorin’s life (death?) again. And he discovers that he and Fili have a lot more in common than their similar looks. Fili becomes a mentor and a sounding-board for Frerin, and Frerin becomes Fili’s ‘little uncle’. Frerin will eventually find a connection with Kili as well.

Fris is carefully mothering of the lads. When she looks at them, she sees her little girl, her Dis, her sweet sparrow. She sees Dis in the set of Fili’s chin, in the flash of Kili’s dark eyes. She is careful not to usurp that place, however. She (Fris is an instrument-maker) brings her lap-harp or her gittern along when they drag out their fiddles, and they play together. She makes sure that Fili eats, and that Kili does not sulk (Fris is good at stopping people from sulking – plenty of practice!).

Thrain, on his good days, is an amused observer of the boys. He comments now and then, but doesn’t really step in to chastise them or curtail their antics. He leaves that to Thorin or Hrera. He finds them hilarious. He’s warm and totally nonjudgmental, and so the boys both find it very easy to confide in him – to complain, or to speak about difficult things. Thrain is a good listener, and will always put down his tools and get out a jug of ale to sit with them as they whine or exclaim or groan.

so Kili anf Fili both play the fiddle right. how agressive do you think their playing gets? like I was watching Nuttin’ but Stringz on youtube and they get so into it and completely shred their bowstrings and I think Kili and Fili would play like that (probs not the style of music tho, something more dwarvish) and they keep breaking the strings or their bows and Dis getting annoyed cause “You just replaced the strings last week Kili what do you mean its broken???”

They would be surreptitiously cutting the tails of every pony in order to re-hair their bows, hell yes. Epic fiddle battles. and if the victory is in doubt, as a last resort the fiddle can also be used as a bludgeon

Also, Balin and Dwalin are meant to play the viol

And all I can see is this.

how do the dead dwarves visit or speak to mahal?? is there a fixed place where they know where to find him (like that anvil room), and do they just rock up whenever for a chat or a drink? can mahal be with more than one dwarrow at a time, only because kili seems to be making sure that he occupies a large chunk of mahal’s time lolol? are the dwarrows generally interested in interacting with their maker?

It’s never the same twice. 

Now and then, a Dwarf will set out through the Halls, and their feet will take them to a great golden door. Light spills out around its frame, and casts strange glowing shapes upon the walls and floor. The sweet clear sound of ringing steel can be heard from inside.

Sometimes the door appears only a couple of corridors away. Sometimes it is impossible to find. Sometimes it is open. Sometimes not. 

Mahal makes himself available to his children. He has a very personal and loving relationship with all of them. Even so, the Dwarrows do not approach him without awe and trepidation. It takes a lot of guts to do as Kili does and continually pester a Vala. 

Quick question, in Sansukh how do Fili and Kili feel about Frodo? We all know how popular Sam is with the dwarves, but I’ve been wondering how they are reacting emotionally while watching Frodo struggle as the ring bearer. Do they recognize that the power of the ring is affecting his mind(considering that they saw Thorin go through a sort of similar experience with the gold sickness)?

They feel a huge amount of pity and care and sympathy for Frodo – and they ALSO think he is probably changing into the strongest person they have ever seen. 

When Frodo first volunteers to take the Ring, Kili is basically flapping madly and going “AHH SO LITTLE AND BRAVE AHH”.

Fili is our POV character for the vast amount of their scenes, and he is slightly awed by Frodo’s endurance and strength and forbearance. He is also amazed at how a simple Hobbit is growing into something beyond what he was, through this mammoth act of will. 

They definitely recognise the effects of the Ring. Oh my goodness, yes. Both of them. That’s not a thing you can ignore (particularly with Gollum right there for comparison).

So in Sansukh Kili’s continued lack of beard has been mentioned and I started wondering, does everyone’s hair stop growing in Mahal’s Hall? But what if someone accidentally burns off a chunk of hair in the forge or something? Do they forever have a bald spot or does it grow back to normal and then stop again or do they need to ask Mahal to fix it for them?? Plz this question has been plaguing me since I read Sansukh

Ahhh! 

Well, life in the Halls is not TRUE life. Everyone is sort of… paused. They’re all on hold until the Second Song, when the world is renewed. 

So, their bodies remain static, frozen, suspended. They are real bodies, so they need food and rest and warmth, they can be harmed and will heal, but they won’t really.. change. 

This is why Frerin is stuck as an adolescent. Poor little mite.

You mentioned in one of your headcanony things(I think?) that Oin is a bit of a “mad scientist” in Mahal’s Halls, always developing new concoctions-which members of the company, or any in the halls, have been his testers? ;)

Fili and Kili routinely volunteer. 

(Everyone else thinks they’re bonkers.) 

Oin has bullied a few others into trying his concoctions for burns, strains and muscle ache. Some of them have even been remarkable successes! 

(the most memorable made Fundin think he was a little pixie for three hours. Groin laughed until he was sick.)

so… what with Dwarven cultural standards and all, would (movie version at least) Thorin, Fili and Kili be… slightly homely? Sort of skinnier and less hairy etc?

I don’t honestly think so. I know it’s popular to think that they are the ugly ducklings, but I like to believe that Dwarves aren’t like that. They’re Dwarves – they’re strong and thickset and sturdy, they’re capable and excellent warriors. They have fab noses and round ears and clever blunt fingers. Fili’s moustache braids are delish. Kili is young, his beard is still filling in – and besides, he is the best shot for miles around, that’s p damn attractive. 

IDK, I want to believe that Dwarves see every other Dwarf as pretty damn special. Their bodies are not up for judgement by others: Mahal made them to be the best self they could possibly be, and he made them with love, and I would hope that that would be remembered. Dwarves like Bombur and Gloin and Dori are super-slammin bammin hotties, sure, but every Dwarf out there (be they as round-bellied and small as Ori, or as blocky and bullish as Dwalin) is considered prime beef. 

IDK. I just don’t like the idea of body image issues amongst Dwarves. They have enough to deal with in a world that considers ELVES the most beautiful of all peoples. Bleh. 

Sad thought of the day: in the movie, Thorin only saw Fili die, not Kili, so he would have died himself knowing that at least one of his nephews were alive, that his sister would get to keep one of her boys. Then he would wake up in the halls to find that fuck, Kili did’nt make it either.

ledamemangociana:

determamfidd:

OH WOW THAT IS A BUCKETFUL OF NOPE

fili diED THINKING KILI WAS SAFE AND THAT THORIN WOULD GET AWAY

HE WAKES UP IN THE HALLS OF MANDOS AND WANDERS AROUND LIKE “OH GOD I’M NEVER GONNA BE USED TO BEING ALONE”

AND THEN HE HEARS A FAMILIAR VOICE CALLING FOR HIM AND HE TURNS AROUND AND LANDS HIMSELF AN ARMFUL OF CRYING KILI

AND THEY ARGUE BECAUSE “YOU LITTLE BASTARD NO NO NO THIS ISN’T RIGHT YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE NOT YET WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE HELL”

AND THEN 20 MINUTES LATER THEY JUST HEAR A SOFT “…boys”

AND THORIN IS STANDING THERE WITH HIS ARMS OPEN AND THEY JUST BOTH RUN TO HIM AND HE JUST HOLDS THEM CLOSE AND TELLS THEM HE’S SO SORRY, HE’S SO SO SORRY

MAKE THAT TWO BUCKETFULS