How different you think the quest/Thorin’s life would’ve been had Frerin survived the battle and lived by his side?

oooooh.

Very different, to be honest. I think Thorin would have been less sombre, less inclined to be alone in his thoughts. He would have laughed more readily.

I suspect that Frerin would have smoothed over a lot of ruffled feathers during the Quest. I can imagine our quick, cheerful Dawning Sun being his ray-of-sunshine self and charming the socks off every Elf… perhaps not Lindir, of course, but a few food-fights and a few barbed comments towards Elrond (”he made no mention of you”) might have been forgiven far more readily when the nice blond Dwarf is doing some diplomatic schmoozing.

I doubt Frerin would have failed to spot a frikking gigantic stone dwarf staircase.

IDK, there’s a few ways it could play out, Nonnie! Frerin might also succumb to gold-sickness, or he might not. The way I write him, he’s a peacemaker by nature… and so Bilbo might have had help in his plan.

I tell you something I know in my bones, though – there’s no way that Frerin would have let Thorin and his nephews (who after all, would have known him, and loved him) GO UP TO RAVENHILL WITHOUT HIM

how do you think dwarven aging works? like–are they babies for the same amount of time as men and then age slower like elves do? do they reach physical maturity before they come of age? I’m trying to wrap my head around age equivalents and it’s not exactly working. especially when I try to think of Dain at Azanulbizar.

Hey Nonnie!

Hoo boy, I have written a LOT on this in the past: here’s some of my ramblings, here’s some more, and some more, and some more, and some more. There’s nothing really definitive in canon, and what there is is a little contradictory.

Basically, it boils down to this:

– We know that around 40-45, a Dwarf would be physically grown – or close. (Dain was 32 at Azanulbizar, and Frerin was 48…)

– However, Gimli is too young to join the Quest for Erebor, and he was 62.

– This suggests that they are bodily mature far earlier than they come of age?

– Emotional maturation generally continues for a longer period of time than physical maturation, at least in humans.

– Kili is 77 at the time of the Quest, and he is the youngest.

– With all this taken into account, I headcanon that Dwarves ‘come of age’ at 70 years old. They’d grow quite quickly – Wee Thorin is 37, from memory, and he is nearly as tall as Gimli… though he is the equivalent of 12 years old emotionally and intellectually.

(believe me, I teach 12 year olds WAY taller than me.)

Then they’d enjoy a long adulthood, very resistant to change and age and disease (Mahal made ‘em hardy, after all!)… before they crumbled comparatively swiftly at the end of their lifespan.

mjoyart:

All sales all the time only at Erebor Supermarket.

catofcream:

kittyofthesam:

when your otp becomes canon

Speaking of “in case I die when you’re too young” letters, imagine who else has written these letters, as well as general “in case I die untimely” letters. Dis and Thorin both have stashes for Fili and Kili. Vili was skeptical, but Dis managed to get him to dictate one or two. Gloin did a pile before the quest for Erebor. All the letters before the war of the ring – Dwalin especially, having lost both his parents young.

lksdgfa;sdhsjaljgsalgfakjsh

(the ones from Thorin and Dis for the lads, though… Dis would find them after, and know that they were never meant for her. She would keep Vili’s as well, stained and rumpled from so many years of being crushed in the bottom of one of Fili’s drawers. She would have so many of these letters, all addressed to someone else.

Nobody would have expected her to outlive her children, after all.)

I actually already have Gimli writing a pile of these in Sansukh – he hands them to Gloin when they say farewell at Rivendell. One for Dis, one for the King, one for Gimris and Bofur, one for Gimizh. And one for his parents, of course.

Gloin and Dwalin definitely would have written lots of just-in-case letters because of losing their parents at Azanulbizar… in fact, I believe Gloin would probably have written a novel (he’s a very organised Dwarf, is Gloin). Dwalin’s would be softer, though… and full of all the things he doesn’t say aloud.

saraduvall:

a gift for @catrites, who wanted some post-BOTFA Durin boys alive and well uvu

Fili and Kili totally do everything they can to have a badass bedroom in the Halls. Vili carved them a badass double bunk bed thing out of the stone (Frerin & Frar helped). Thrain made them really cool racks for stuff- and Thorin made weapons for some and Fris made musical instruments for others. Hrera made them (ugly, hard-won) knitwear. Zhori and Ori and Nori made them awesome blankets and linens (w/fighting patterns). All sorts of cool doodads that they made or traded for or were gifted.

OOOOH very cool ideas! Heh, I wrote a music/drabble thingy about Fris making a violin for Fili: perhaps she made him a stand, too!

(double bunk beds set into the walls always and without fail make me think of Red Dwarf. It is a curse I must bear.)

Dis headcanon: Dis tried to keep busy while Thorin, Fili, and Kili were away on the quest, so she decided to make something for each of them. For Thorin, she added jewels to a dagger he’d made, runes for protection and a long life. For Kili, she had someone make a beautiful case for his art supplies and bought a few new ones, replacing ones that needed it. For Fili, she made him a few new beads for his braids (he was so proud of his mustache braids). She couldn’t look at them after the battle.

*whimpers very quietly* aaargh.

I had a sad HC and wanted to share the misery. Vili watching from the Halls, watching Dis, of course, but watching his boys growing. Starting to cheer Fili on when the he first starts his lessons, before realizing that his son will not hear him. Beginning to encourage Kili and give suggestions to Dis when she moves him from nursing to mushy food, only to realize…he’ll never be able to do that. Most of his memories of his sons (pre-battle) come from watching them and knowing they won’t remember

THAT WAS UNCALLED FOR

It’s been established that Thorin does Bad Uncle Dancing, but does Dain do Bad Dad Dancing? Do Thorin Stonehelm, Fili, and Kili cower in a corner, complaining about their family?

Dain would be the BEST Bad Dad Dancer. No shame whatsoever. He gets REALLY INTO IT.

Fili would probably be face-palming next to the red-eared, cringing Stonehelm…

but lbr here, Kili is probably dancing as well, with even more enthusiasm and gusto than either Thorin OR Dain. Likely on top of a table. ~~Bc he is a nerdy happy puppy~~