Hey dets! Quick question – in reference to the previous anon’s q about Gimli and learning Sindarian. I haven’t been able to find any resources suggesting that the language of the Noldor was banned, only on the Ban laid on them by the Valar irt returning to Valinor. Was wondering if you could direct me to any you have?

Ahhh sure! It appears that I have been somewhat misled by the wording used in the Silm here! Sorry for any confusion!

Noldorin is in fact the SAME THING as EXILIC QUENYAN (i.e. the Quenya spoken by the Noldor in exile.) So it is in fact a Noldorin dialect of Quenya that was banned by Elu Thingol!

The actual quote in the Silm is this: “Never again in my ears shall be heard the tongue of those who slew my kin in Alqualondë! Nor in all my realm shall it be openly spoken, while my power endures. All the Sindar shall hear my command that they shall neither speak with the tongue of the Noldor nor answer to it. And all such as use it shall be held slayers of kin and betrayers of kin unrepentant.”

Still on the subject of mandos, I always wondered how namo dealt with all the elves sharing one space (esp all the noldorin + teleri ect) some of the fights that break out must be legendary

(I don’t envy Namo. Not one bit.)

“You take that back!!”

“Make me!”

“I’ll make you eat your teeth in a minute…”

“Oh, like you could fight your way out of a wine-jug!”

“RIGHT, THAT’S IT-”

“Cowardy cowardy custard, sat eating cake behind Melian’s skirts while everybody else did all the fighting…!”

“Shut up, shut your face! Who was it who built everything, eh? All you lot did was stomp on over, take everything that wasn’t yours, and trash the lot!”

“HOW DARE – well, at least we didn’t try bribery, extortion and impossible murder-quests as bride-prices…”

“YOU talk of murder-quests, HA, that’s bloody rich!”

“And just what’s that supposed to mean?”

“One word: Ships.”

“Oh fuck you!”

“FUCK YOU MORE WITH A SILMARIL ON TOP.”

(Namo is considering some sort of Elven Time-Out room.)

Wait. Okay. Wait. 1) Arwen may or may not know how to metalwork. 2) HOBBITSHOBBITSHOBBITSHOBBITS 3) Aragorn is so completely over Gigolas. He’s not even impressed anymore. 4) I cried during the scene with Dís and Thorin III. And 5) Mahal MADE DAIN A MITHRIL PEG-LEG. Dets, you wonderful amazing author you. May your beard grow ever long!

jkdfhlajsgflasjdhfaljshfdaksdajshfd THANK YOU SO MUCH

(i may or may not really love the idea of Elves ALSO being craftspeople – bc Noldor etc etc. There’s a reason their swords are so kickass! now if only Elves and Dwarves could bond over their nerdy nerdy crafty abilities… *coughnarvicough*)

~~Aragorn is pretty damn over it for a guy whose OTP just got together hahaha~~

heeey, I don’t know about about the silm because I haven’t gotten the chance to read it just yet, but in shadow of mordor celebrimbor has a wife and kid. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade or anything, so sorry if it seems that way, but do you know if celebrimbor actually had a family of if it was just something he game made up? thanks!

Hey! I’m guessing that’s a Shadow of Mordor thing alone?

Tolkien Gateway tends to be fairly accurate, mostly. And it shows its sources for information, which is awesome. There’s no mention of a wife or child there (though it makes mention of the attraction he felt for Galadriel, from Unfinished Tales), and I’ve never come across it in my own reading. I could be wrong though!