14 + Sansukh? :)

14: is there anything I wanted readers to learn from reading this fic?

Ahhh, thank you! 

uhhh, idk honestly. I set out to write as canon-compliant a fix-it as possible, but ended up throwing that idea away very early on. So I guess that initially I wanted to cram a lot of lesser-known canon stuff into it, for people to read and go OH HEY THAT’S P COOL. 

I also wanted to try my hand at writing the process of the management (MANAGEMENT, not “recovery” – but not indulgence or enabling, either) of mental illness. Thorin’s development closely mirrors my own in places. It’s not something I’ve ever been confident talking about, so it was a big step outside the comfort-zone. IDK if I wanted anyone to learn anything from it, but I certainly wanted to show it. Maybe work through a few of my own bugbears while I was at it.

As the diversity of the cast grew and grew (AND GREW), I also became really invested in establishing a society that had all types and sorts of people in it, nobody hiding or silent, all of them living with respect and understanding for each other. Don’t know how well I have succeeded, but i think the point was to try. I’ve had people tell me that the fic is the first place they have seen a particular representation, and I am proud and humbled simultaneously. 

Regardless of whether anyone learns anything or not, I have always wanted to tell an entertaining story with relatable characters, so yeah… I am always up for the educational side of things, but it really isn’t the impetus behind the fic.

Non-binary Tolkien Fic Recs

lgbtplusrecs:

In celebration of Bilbo and Frodo’s birthday, I’ve made a list of Tolkien fic recs. Non-binary characters can be quite hard to find in this fandom (or in general tbh) so a list of all the Tolkien fics I know that feature nb characters seemed like a useful and good thing to do. I get massively excited whenever I come across nb characters in fic, so hopefully this list will allow others to share in my excitement!

If you know of any other awesome Tolkien fics with nb characters please tell me about them so they can be added to the list – especially if you know any Silmarillion fics with nb characters because they’re really hard to find!

Sansûkh by determamfidd: “In which recovery takes time, the dead members of the Company take to watching Gimli as though he’s a soap opera, the living struggle with being left behind, Legolas is confused, Khuzdul is abused, and Thorin is four feet and ten inches of guilt and anger.” (I didn’t assign this to a specific book because it kind of defies categorisation. Also it’s glorious and if you haven’t read it by now you definitely should!)

The Hobbit

Whoever you’ll be when the sun rises by lloydsglasses (I decided to get the shameless self-promotion out of the way early): “It was at this point that Thorin belatedly realised that LGBT+ doesn’t just mean gay. He wasn’t entirely sure what the ‘T’ or the ‘+’ entailed but he was starting to think that Bilbo might come under one of them. “This is probably one of those things I should google, isn’t it?” he asked.” Sequel

Running by donniedont: “Kili spends large portions of life trying to figure out what dwarves do when they find themselves identifying with multiple genders.”

Rice Wine by rabbitinthewoods: “Haruna likes asking questions, and seems to believe that Bilbo has all the answers. Except he doesn’t; he doesn’t know what crops to put on his new terraces, he doesn’t know how to get more apprentices and he certainly doesn’t know how to deal with Thorin.Things are still strained between them, and Bilbo is trying to bury his old feelings and affections in exchange for some kind of bearable civility. Except Thorin doesn’t even seem to want him in the mountain, let alone be his friend.”

Dwarf Women Go Bearded by psyche_girl: “This is the story of Lady Dís, Dwarf-woman. This is the story of an impossible thing.” I’ve included this because it’s set in a universe where Dwarven concepts of gender are different so, even though no characters explcitly identify as non-binary or something similar, I thought it might be of interest.

Please Give Up – orphaned account: “People keep trying to court Ori. Ze wish they’d stop.”

Two-Self by allofthefandoms: “Dàmish. Two-selves. It’s an odd term, Ori decides, for an odd occurrence among dwarves. Due to the fact that only one out of every three dwarf men will find a woman to wed, the practice of male marriage is not uncommon, and is generally as well accepted as any other sort of bond. However, that’s not what Ori feels, at least not entirely.”

someday they’ll sing stories, but they won’t be of you by EatThem: “Thorin is fridged so his sister can take his place in the narrative, or, Queen Dís Oakenshield & Company (& Bilba) go on a quest to reclaim Erebor. Dís is twice as short-sighted and hostile and arrogant as her dearly-departed brother (and gets herself killed in the same quasi-tragic way) because women have the same right to character flaws.

NB!Ori AU Series by MiljaTheFailcat: “Ori, a nonbinary art major (with a minor in English) gets an assignment to draw six portraits of six people. They have their two brothers, Fili, Kili and Gimli. But that’s just five. They need a sixth model.”

The Lord of the Rings

Immo by MirandaTam: “Bigender Arwen, growing up in Rivendell. (The twins exchange exasperated looks, but don’t press the point. Arwen grins to herself and raises her sword.)”

Blessed by ilfirin_estel: “The fic where Éowyn finds Éomer brooding in the middle of the night and they talk about things, including Théodred, the Pelennor, Éowyn’s gender, and Faramir.”

The Stonework was Admirable by Culumacilinte: “‘Whatever I understand, I know that you have won renown and glory on the field, and shown yourself to be mighty in arms, and fearless, and fair. And I know that you are a lady of great heart, and that it is softer than you have made it. And that I would not for my life have you made less than you are. And I would wed you, and live with you in peace, as Éowyn, or Dernhelm, or whoever you wish. And what I do not yet understand, I will learn, and gladly.’”

Only Shooting Stars by Snow_Glows_Blue: “Gimli is not nearly as prepared as he thinks he is to meet the son of Thranduil. He has heard the stories, of a charming, manipulative princeling who takes after his father. Well. They’re halfway there…”

The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth

Nauca by Morgyn Leri: “Durin with a trio of avari before the First Age of the Sun.”

Ahhh, thank you!

comfemgem:

all the characters are white: Who cares, it’s fantasy it doesn’t have to be realistic, this is just the story the creator wanted to tell

the characters are diverse: Jesus, all these types of people in the same place is so unrealistic, the creator just forced diversity for diversity’s sake

i love sansukh for like three dozen different reasons but the one that’s on my mind rn is that the representation is SO. GOOD. like that one’s trans and that one’s agender and that one’s ace and these ones are gay and those ones are lesbian and look at all these awesome female characters and why the hell not let’s make narvi a woman too. more authors need to learn from that.

Ahhh thank you!! *hugs* You are so kind! It is very important to me to keep learning and trying. Tbh, when I began the fic (OVER TWO YEARS AGO, wtf), I hadn’t even dreamed of the eventual diversity I have in it now! It has definitely built over time, as I have learned and grown alongside the story. I didn’t set out that way initially, but I got better 🙂

(Nowadays my attitude can be summed up as: “Yes, more please. More and more and more. Different neurotypes and sexualities and genders and POC: build it richer, build it realer, build it deeper and fuller and more vibrant. Fill up the blank spaces of Middle-Earth with wonderful multiplicity, and if any tiny little bigot cries ‘historical accuracy’, remind them that Elrond’s daddy is a star.”)

Absolutely I stuff up now and then (as humans are prone to do!), but I hope to always keep learning and trying and growing. Because other humans deserve that from me. 

(btw – I find it amazingly hard to imagine Narvi as anything other than a POC Dwarrowdam now!)

alder-knight:

cosetties:

i really like the advice “write marginalized characters but don’t write about marginalization unless you experience it” 

absolutely i think cis people should expand their horizons and write trans characters, but they shouldn’t write stories about being trans. likewise i think allistic / NT authors should write about autistic characters! but not stories about being autistic. 

represent us. absolutely. but don’t tell our stories. let us do that.

YOOOOOOO. This is an excellent distinction!

moon-crater:

powpowhammer:

ladysaviours:

I’ve been trying to think of a good term for the “weepy movies about tragic queer people aimed at straight audiences” subgenre, and I think I’ve got it:

dead gays for the straight gaze

eh? eh??

queers die for the straight eye

SO YOOOO who wants to learn why this is a thing because the history is actually really fascinating and ties into some of my favorite shit ever?

Okay, so like, back in the mid-twentieth century, when being queer was still totally a crime everywhere in the United States, queer writers started working in pulp fiction–starting with Vin Packer (she is awesome)–and writing pulps to tell our stories.

So one day over lunch, her editor asks her, “Hey, Vin, what’s the story you most want to write?”

And she goes, “Well, I’d like to write a love story about lesbians because I’m, you know, gay.”

He says, “Hey, that’s awesome, I will publish it. One thing, though, the homosexuality has to end badly and the main character has to realize she was never gay in the first place. We can’t seem to support homosexuality. I don’t actually think that’s cool, but the government will literally seize our book shipments and destroy them on the basis of the books being ‘obscene’ if you don’t, so if we want this story actually out there, and not burning in a bonfire somewhere, it’s what you gotta do.”

So Vin goes home and writes Spring Fire, the book that launched the entire lesbian pulp genre. And while one character ends up in an insane asylum and the other ends up realizing she never loved her at all, it’s massively successful, and queer women everywhere snap it up and celebrate quietly in their closets across the nation because HOLY SHIT THERE’S A BOOK ABOUT ME? I’M NOT ALONE and it starts a huge new genre.

But: every publisher is subject to those same government censorship rules, so every story has to end unhappily for the queer characters, or else the book will never see the light of day. So, even though lesbian pulp helps solidify the queer civil rights movement, it’s having to do so subversively or else it’ll end up on the chopping block.

So blah blah blah, this goes on for about twenty years, until finally in the seventies the censorship laws get relaxed, and people can actually start queer publishing houses! Yay! But the lesbian pulps, in the form they’d been known previously, basically start dying out.

MEANWHILE, OVER IN JAPAN! Yuri, or the “girls love” genre in manga, starts to emerge in the 1970s, and even starts dealing with trans characters in the stories. But, because of the same social mores that helped limit American lesbian pulp, the stories in Japan similarly must end in tragedy or else bad shit will go down for the authors and their books. Once more: tragic ends are the only way to see these stories published rather than destroyed.

The very first really successful yuri story has a younger, naive girl falling into a relationship with an older, more sophisticated girl, but the older girl ends up dying in the end, and subsequent artists/writers repeated the formula until it started getting subverted in the 1990s–again, twenty years later.

And to begin with cinema followed basically the same path as both lesbian pulps and yuri: when homosexuality is completely unacceptable in society, characters die or their stories otherwise end in tragedy, just to get the movies made, and a few come along to subvert that as things evolve.

But unlike the books and manga before them, even though queer people have become sightly more openly accepted, movies are stuck in a loop. See, pulps and yuri are considered pretty disposable, so they were allowed to evolve basically unfettered by concerns of being artistic or important enough to justify their existence, but film is considered art, and especially in snooty film critic circles, tragedy=art.

Since we, in the Western world, put films given Oscar nods on a pedestal, and Oscar nods go to critical darlings rather than boisterous blockbusters (the film equivalent of pulps, basically), and critics loooove their tragedy porn, filmmakers create queer stories that are tragic and ~beautiful~ that win awards that then inspire more queer stories that are tragic and ~beautiful~ until the market is oversaturated with this bullshit.

The Crying Game? Critical darling, tragic trans character.

Philadelphia? Critical darling, tragic gay character.

Brokeback Mountain? Critical darling, tragic queer (? not totally sure if they’d consider themselves gay or bi, tbh?) characters.

And so on and so on VOILA, we now have a whole genre of tragedy porn for straight people, that started out as validation for us and sometimes even manages to slip some more through the cracks occasionally, but got co-opted by pretentious ~literary~ types. While tragic ends made these stories more acceptable to begin with, and in the mid-to-late nineties that started getting subverted a little bit (Chasing Amy, But I’m a Cheerleader), eventually that became the point, as more straight audiences started consuming these narratives and got all attached to the feels they got from the ~beauty of our pain~.

The book of The Hobbit: Never mentions giant earthworms (wtf, is this ‘Dune’ all of a sudden, which franchise are we in)
The book of The Hobbit: Radagast never seen. Only mentioned in passing.
The book of The Hobbit: Legolas who?
The book of The Hobbit: Bolg, not Azog (bc Dain ALREADY KILLED HIM AT AZANULBIZAR)
The book of The Hobbit: Thorin squished under his company at Bag End
The book of The Hobbit: Saruman who?
The book of The Hobbit: Thorin is a windy pompous arse (and is also the oldest)
The book of The Hobbit: TRA LA LA LALLY, COME BACK TO THE VALLEY
The book of The Hobbit: extremely useless, moaning, miserable, mopey Bilbo, until he reaches Gollum’s cave
The book of the Hobbit: Alfrid who? Also the Master doesn’t die until after the BOTFA.
The book of the Hobbit: “Thag you very buch.”
The book of The Hobbit: LONGbeards. LONG. Beards. (often dyed. See: Dwalin)
The films of The Hobbit: All of the above AND SO MUCH MORE
Gatekeeping misogynist idiot ‘purists’: *crickets chirping*
The films of The Hobbit: Oh hey we’re going to add a woma-
Gatekeeping misogynist idiot ‘purists’: IT’S A MARY SUE, AHH MY EYES, GET THE ICKY COOTIES OFF OH MY PRECIOUS PRECIOUS CHILDHOOD, HOW DARE YOU THINK YOU COULD EVER BE A PART OF THE THING THAT IS FOR THE STRAIGHT WHITE CIS MENS ALONE, EW EW EW, I FEEL SICK SHE TOUCHED IT, I BELIEVE THAT THE VALUES OF TOLKIEN’S TIME SHOULD BE SLAVISHLY ADHERED TO IN THE PRESENT DAY DESPITE HOW MANY PEOPLE IT HURTS, COOTIES COOTIES AND GIRL GERMS EVERYWHERE, YOU CAN’T HAVE 1 BADASS MAGICAL CHARACTER TO LOOK UP TO EVEN THOUGH I HAVE 100+ VERSIONS OF MAGICAL SUPERHERO CHOSEN ONE TO CHOOSE FROM, HOW DARE YOU WANT JUST ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CHARACTER DON’T YOU KNOW YOUR PLACE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO MY SPECIAL MEN-ONLY STORY *continues ranting hysterically until the Fourth Age*