thudworm:

scribefindegil:

And speaking of pronouns, flat-out my favorite part of the LOTR Appendices is when it’s revealed that the Gondorian dialect of the Common Speech differentiates between formal and informal second-person pronouns but the distinction’s been lost in the Hobbit’s dialect, so Pippin’s blithely been using familiar terms of address with the Lord of the City, and thus helps to explain both why the Gondorians are so ready to assume he’s a prince and why Denethor finds him so amusing to have around.

@determamfidd I’m suddenly reminded of that post talking about Aussies and our inability to comprehend formal vs. informal pronouns

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HOBBITS ARE AUSTRALIAN

“i will take the ring to Mordor… though I’m fucked if I know where it is.”

“Po-tay-toes. Fry ‘em, mash ‘em, stick ‘em on a pie!”

“What about second smoko?”

“I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and the rest of you shit me to tears.” 

Seebs, is a hotdog a sandwich? I mean its got the elements of one, having a core (the dog) with optional additions, covered by bread of some kind, so…?

culturalrebel:

glossylalia:

awesome-everyday:

glossylalia:

lurp-burp:

illogical-rutabaga:

27teacups:

jumpingjacktrash:

scloutier:

jumpingjacktrash:

roachpatrol:

jumpingjacktrash:

roachpatrol:

jumpingjacktrash:

roachpatrol:

jumpingjacktrash:

littlepinkbeast:

nomderonge:

littlepinkbeast:

adigitalmagician:

the-real-seebs:

See, this kind of thing is what I love about an open askbox with no specific topic requirements, because this fascinates me. I tend to think no, but part of that is because hot dog buns are typically jointed, so they’re more like one foldy piece of bread than two, but… I don’t know. They don’t feel sandwich-like to me, I guess.

Counterpoint: heroes are on jointed bread and they’re definitely sandwiches.

hot dog is not sammich because it is *a thing* in breads instead of *stuff* in breads.

Bullshit. Is a peanut butter sandwich not a sandwich if you don’t put anything else on?

peanut butter is stuff though?  like, *a* hot dog is one self contained thing that comes in a pre-determined size, but peanut butter is a continuous mass.  you put A hot dog in a bun, you put SOME peanut butter on bread.

but if you put a single slice of ham on bread, it’s still a ham sandwich. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS.

A HAM SLICE IS STUFF BECAUSE IT’S FLAT. 

A HOTDOG IS A THING BECAUSE IT’S ROUND. 

if you put a tomato between bread, that would not be a sandwich, that would be fucked up. you have to slice the tomato and put a slice in. then it’s a sandwich. 

so if you slice the hotdog and put it back in the bun it’s a sandwich?

edit: the atlantic says it’s not a sandwich but their reasoning does not seem sound to me http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/11/its-not-a-sandwich/414352/

the bun would make the hotdog round again, so no. but if you sliced the hotdog and put it between flatter bread then yes. 

behold: an inarguable hotdog sandwich

ohhhhh? then WHAT IS THIS

*touchdown dance*

that’s clearly a fucking sandwich, smartass. it’s got sliced components and is horizontal. i’m talking about if you took a hot dog, sliced it in half, and put both slices back in the bun, it would not magically be a sandwich because the slices would move back into approximately cylindrical hotdog configuration. this like how if you take a slice of sandwich bread and put it around a whole hotdog, it becomes a hotdog bun and the hotdog is still not a sandwich.  

on a tangent, no matter how sliced and sandwichy the components, if they were put in a taco shell, they would stop being sandwichy and just be a (gross) taco. 

WHAT IF YOU PUT FLAT THINGS BETWEEN TWO FLAT TORTILLAS WHAT WOULD THAT BE A SANDWICH OR A QUESADILLA OR A FAIL TACO OR

THIS IS EXCITING

THIS IS SCIENCE

THIS IS EXCITING.
Everyone pretty much agrees that a sandwich is edible stuff between two breads.  Our cultural definition is coherent so far.
littlepinkbeast further requires that the edible contents be stuff-y, rather than thing-y.
roach’s definition posits that thing-like stuff is round, and stuff-ish stuff is flat.
jumpingjacktrash and aetherbox raise the point that sometimes the type of bread surrounding the contents ALSO changes the name/definition of the sandwich: fr’ex, taco, pita, quesadilla (which must contain cheese, but what if it is IMPROPER CHEESE, like blue or cottage?), or naan or sub or gyro.

And I ask:  How sweet can it be before it is no longer considered a sandwich? Because I have had WAFFLE SANDWICHES that were absolutely sandwiches, but once you add nutella and whipped cream to the bananas, they shade into tiramisu territory and become a dessert.

Also, I’m pretty sure that nothing wrapped in a crepe is a sandwich, but does this also apply to other thin wraps like tortillas?  Must it be leavened breadstuff to count as a sandwich?

and what about when the outsidey bits aren’t breadstuff? what about peanut butter between two slices of apple, is that a sandwich? my brain says no but my heart says yes.

a hot dog is obviously a taco. this thread is bananas

this is all so completely illegal

@shanlad SHANNON HELP ME

I would honestly posit we need to look at “sandwich” as at minimum a genus and at maximum probably a phylum. We could call “sandwich” a family and then move that “sausage roll” is the genus and that hot dog is a species of sausage roll, a genus that would also include things like brats, sausage and peppers, and other sausage sandwiches specifically served on sausage rolls. Which means that the family of sandwich can also include a genus for flat sausage sandwiches like knoblewurst or bologna, both of which are technically sausages in construction but are served on sliced bread, which are then not to be confused with the genus “hero” which would be any sliced item sandwich on a hinged roll with included species being “cheesesteaks” and “grinders”.

But if I asked for a hot dog sandwich, I would receive a sliced hot dog, grilled between two slices of bread, not an in tact jot dog on a bun

And as a native Philadelphian I van say that although I do not identify hoagies and cheese steaks as sandwiches, I have heard the language “cheese steak sandwich”

That being said is a pita filled with stuff a sandwich?

See I don’t think anyone would ever order a “hot dog sandwich”. So maybe sandwich is not a family but more of an order? They phylum then would be street food, class “handheld”, order “sandwich”, which then gives was to various suborders. So all street foods that can be handheld and lets say served in a carbohydrate shell is of the order of sandwich, when then can fracture into suborders of things like: sausage rolls (hot dogs, brats, sausage and peppers, etc), heroes/hoagies (cheesesteaks, grinders, etc), pockets (pita/shawarma not gyro, arepas, pupusas, bun style bao, etc), and folded (handheld tortilla sandwiches like tacos/quesadillas/burritos, gyros, and open style bao, etc).

Idk but I do think biological nomenclature is the way to dig into the question.

Welp, im hungry now

since it’s the month of Halloween in the US, I’ve seen a lot of dog-costumes in stores, which leads me to… Dain definitely had outfits for his battlepigs created, that were not armor or protective in any way, shape, or form, but just so that his pretty, pretty pigs could be *EVEN PRETTIER* Just imagine: PIGGY FASHION SHOWS!!!! bby!Stonehelm loves them. As he gets older… he tolerates them. (For his funeral, Dori and Dis make sure that his favorite pigs are wearing mourning colors.)

OH MY GOODNESS I NEED 

THOSE GREAT BIG HAIRY PIGGIES IN THEIR PRETTY DUDS, ALL DOLLED UP

ohhh noooo piggy mourning clothes AUGH no, that’s not playing fair

(i think I have been warped by children’s tv tho, bc the first enduring image my mind threw at me was THIS:

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WARPED, I TELLS YOU)

popularlesbian:

mapfail:

Where’s Ukraine? Each dot depicts the location where a U.S. survey respondent situated Ukraine; the dots are colored based on how far removed they are from the actual country, with the most accurate responses in red and the least accurate ones in blue.

I wanna meet the people who thought Ukraine was in the United States

I wanna meet the ones who thought it was in Western Australia

thearkenstoneandtheacorn:

Honestly if the fellowship had cellphones the #1 change would be Aragorn constantly complaining on the phone with arwen in the two towers like “they’re flirting again. Yes again. Literally I don’t even want to tell u what I walked in on yesterday but it involved gimli cleaning his axe in an inappropriate manner. And the worst bit is they still pretend like they hate each other my god. I’m gonna lose it I swear” while arwen is like “mhmm that’s nice dear”

a brief collection of some of the Tolkien dreams I’ve had, in no particular order

absynthe–minded:

(all of these really happened, I swear)

  • During Frodo and Sam’s march to Orodruin when they’re pretending to be orcs, an orc captain asks Frodo if he’s okay. Frodo admits he’s suicidal. The orc captain tries to provide emotional support and vents to Sam about how Mordor’s military-industrial complex is killing all their youth and he wants to change that, but he’s unfortunately only gonna be able to protect Frodo until they get to the Black Gates and then it’s open war.
  • I was lying on a bed, surrounded by people who were speaking Quenya. I tried to lift my right hand because it itched, but it wasn’t there. When I tried to sit up someone told me to lie still. Red hair fell into my eyes.
  • Frodo and Sam get to Mount Doom but all the lava is frozen
    so they have to dig a hole in the ice-lava to bury the Ring and destroy
    it. Meanwhile a random dwarf from Valar know where is on the other side
    of the lava hacking his way through with a battle axe trying to get to
    Frodo and Sam and kill them.
  • I was a famous author and went on Stephen Colbert’s show to be
    interviewed, but halfway through the interview Sauron showed up and I
    had to song-battle him (I failed, and then Elrond had to come save my
    ass).
  • Legolas and Gimli broke into the Dwarvish afterlife in Valinor by accident and wound up having dinner with Thorin’s Company. Thorin not only didn’t recognize them but thought they were both dwarvish women. Legolas was horribly embarrassed and insisted Gimli go find Gloín and tell him the truth right now. (Bonus points goes to this dream, because mid-dream I started thinking ‘wow, this would make a great fanfiction’.)
  • Bilbo was pissed off because he couldn’t find his favorite tea.
  • Somehow I wound up on the field of corpses after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. I found Fingon’s severed head and what was left of his corpse, and I held the head in my arms and sang ‘History Has Its Eyes On You’ from Hamilton to it as an elegy.

flutterbyesandpollywogs:

fozmeadows:

hollowedskin:

derinthemadscientist:

languageoclock:

deflare:

penfairy:

Throwback to the time my poor German teacher had to explain the concept of formal and informal pronouns to a class full of Australians and everyone was scandalised and loudly complained “why can’t I treat everyone the same?” “I don’t want to be a Sie!” “but being friendly is respectful!” “wouldn’t using ‘du’ just show I like them?” until one guy conceded “I suppose maybe I’d use Sie with someone like the prime minister, if he weren’t such a cunt” and my teacher ended up with her head in her hands saying “you are all banned from using du until I can trust you”

God help Japanese teachers in Australia.

if this isnt an accurate representation of australia idk what is

Australia’s reverse-formality respect culture is fascinating. We don’t even really think about it until we try to communicate or learn about another culture and the rules that are pretty standard for most of the world just feel so wrong. I went to America this one time and I kept automatically thinking that strangers using ‘sir’ and ‘ma’am’ were sassing me. 

Australians could not be trusted with a language with ingrained tiers of formal address. The most formal forms would immediately become synonyms for ‘go fuck yourself’ and if you weren’t using the most informal version possible within three sentences of meeting someone they’d take it to mean you hated them.

100% true.

the difference between “‘scuse me” and “excuse me” is a fistfight

See also: the Australian habit of insulting people by way of showing affection, which other English-speakers also do, but not in a context where deescalating the spoken invective actively increases the degree of offence intended, particularly if you’ve just been affectionately-insulting with someone else.

By which I mean: if you’ve just called your best mate an absolute dickhead, you can’t then call a hated politician something that’s (technically) worse, like a total fuckwit, because that would imply either that you were really insulting your mate or that you like the politician. Instead, you have to use a milder epithet, like bastard, to convey your seething hatred for the second person. But if your opening conversational gambit is slagging someone off, then it’s acceptable to go big (”The PM’s a total cockstain!”) at the outset.

Also note that different modifiers radically change the meaning of particular insults. Case in point: calling someone a fuckin’ cunt is a deadly insult, calling someone a mad cunt is a compliment, and calling someone a fuckin’ mad cunt means you’re literally in awe of them. Because STRAYA. 

I’m reblogging this so I can reread this a few times when I’m in a smarter mood.