Okay sorry but the real Thorin, the real Thorin, he’s the Thorin who drops his weapons and motions for his kin to follow in order to save Bilbo’s limbs from the trolls. Thorin who would suffer the uncertainty (and the indignity) of being captured, being trussed up in a sack, and his companions put on a rotating spit – all because he couldn’t let the trolls rip Bilbo apart.
Now I’m not saying this is an especially Bagginshield moment, I’m saying this is a reflection of the soul Thorin has. He would sacrifice himself, his own kin and family, rather than give an order that would bring about definite harm to another.
Really, whether this is a flaw in his character or not is up to you to decide, but Thorin weighs life as invaluable.
All of which makes dragonsick!Thorin all the more painful. Thorin who would see his family’s life paid in return for gold, who’d throw Bilbo from the ramparts, who would choose to put his friends and family at almost certain death – not to save a life, but to hoard some gold.
That’s not Thorin. That’s the sort of dwarf Thorin fears becoming – and that’s the real tragedy to the dragonsickness. It turns him into his worst nightmare, and makes him the complete opposite to how he actually is.
ok so i was mulling over this tired argument of “thorin doesn’t bring anything to the relationship” (which is probably coming from the fact that bilbo is indeed the only self-sufficient and non-problematic member of the company, that he proves to be much more capable than expected in dealing with other people’s problems and doesn’t seem to have any problems himself, but seeing as thorin employed him it was kinda obvious that he would offer services and not expect help in return, what with being promised the 14th share of the treasure (which he also didn’t need but still))
and i got thinking about how bilbo actually ran off to take part in the quest that would most likely end up with him being incinerated (here on a side note we could say that HIS was the original suicide mission), which can only indicate how miserable he had actually been in his old world and how happy being needed and having someone to fuss over made him;
and also about the fact that he ran so quickly not because he enjoyed dwalin eating his biscuits or balin accepting his apologies, kili wiping his feet on his furniture or fili dumping a pile of swords in his hands, ori holding on to his tomatoes or bombur ridding him of cheese (although maybe the plate-throwing camaraderie had
charmed
him somewhat)
he changed his mind after hearing thorin and the others sing, feeling his longing, catching a spark of his flame, seeing very uncomfortable dreams. in the broadest sense, cheesy though as it might sound, thorin made bilbo feel alive and wanting for the first time in years, and then i thought “manic pixie dream dwarf” and i haven’t been able to stop laughing ever since
Thorin as a manic pixie dream dwarf just made my friggin’ day
Okay. So I’ve seen lots of people saying that Alfrid’s presence in the movie was “unnecessary”. Before I start talking about what I think of Alfrid’s character and why I think he is actually really, really important to how the audience is supposed to view Thorin Oakenshield, I want to thank Vee (tortoisesoul) for pointing this out to me as we were driving home from the movie last night.