holy. fucking shit. I started sansukh. and for reasons unknown. i only thought it was like. ten chapters. then i saw 1/47. and i. i was like what. the fuck. i think i had a stroke.

hey Nonnie, welcome to my complete inability to be concise šŸ˜€

(there’s the Sansukh Appendices, too… just in case you’re not already running for the hills…!)

also, fyi, the fic will finish at 50 chapters. So it’s nearly finished. I just gotta struggle against the massive inertia of my offline life and get those last few chapters done!

Hi Dets! Do you have any advice for someone embarking on a very long lotr fic? Also, how can I make OC’s more realistic and fit better into the story? Thank you sm you’re wonderful!

Hey Nonnie!Ā 

ohgod, look, I stumbled into this the way I stumble into everything, but okay, I guess I can tell you what works for me? It will be different for you, but I hope some of this applies anyway šŸ™‚

I began with absurdly high expectations of myself. Frankly,Ā I STILL have absurdly high expectations of myself.Ā 

Never give up, never surrender! See it through, no matter how damn long it takes. You aren’t abandoning it: you’re on hiatus. Totally different thing.

Research is awesome and great and fun, and you can dive into it for hours and get lost in all the minutiae of this world Tolkien gifted us with… but don’t forget to tell the story. The story is what people are here to read, after all. Keep it moving forward and don’t get bogged down by the endless details.

Stop thinking of your OCs asĀ ā€˜OCs’. Start thinking of them just as characters. Because they are, they are as much a character as the canon characters are. You just have to be the one to establish them, rather than the source material.

Make your characters – ALL of them, original or canon – affect the story. They must affect it, change its direction. If your original characters are only there as wallpaper while the canon ones do all the action, then of course they will feel less real. Real people affect the world. For instance, in Sansukh the original characters that change the direction and even the tone of the narrative are Gimizh, Merilin, Baris, Gimris, Bani, Thira, Laindawar, Laerophen, Jeri, Kara…Ā I could go on!!! They affect each other, they affect the story and they affect the world. They may not always affect the narrative of the canon characters – but they change the story by their presence. They have narrative weight.Ā Ā 

Give characters conflicting views and motivations. Make them struggle and strive for their goal. Let the reader see them fail, and succeed, and fail, and succeed again. If you want your reader to sympathise with a character for a long long time, they need to be able to fail.Ā There need to be consequences for that failure. And those consequences need to be dealt with.

Don’t bash the canon characters – somebody out there loves that character, I promise you, and will be hurt and pissed if you demonise them. Find more motivation for them instead, or a journey that takes them into their challenge zone. I did this for Thranduil especially. But I was also careful not to demonise Denethor – he was poisoned by the Palantir and Sauron, after all.

Think of the building of tension as a slow SLOW crescendo, leading to the high point (peak tension or change of circumstances!) and then a swift decrescendo (denouement/new situation or result). Rinse and repeat, don’t waste a moment before allowing the tension to begin building again. Don’t allow the tension to slacken entirely. Make a change of circumstances count. Otherwise, why have the climax in the first place? This makes your action more dramatic and meaningful in the long term. It also helps with working out the flow of a long story.

If you are desperate to write a particular scene, write it. Skip the stuff in between, and write the scene that is bugging your brain and won’t leave you alone. Then fill in the intervening stuff.Ā 

Write notes. Take photos. Write other things (music, for me). Draw pictures. Enjoy this, it’s meant to be fun!

stereden:

deadcatwithaflamethrower:

louislachance:

theanishimori:

fuckingconversations:

nkfloofiepoof:

redseeker:

deathcomes4u:

peaceheather:

caitlynlynch:

Adding to this because of @illogicalilseā€˜s tags ā€œ
#*steeples fingers in-front of face*#i’ve read fanfiction longer than all of these

ā€œ

ā€œOver 150,000 words = Epic Fanfictionā€

Yeah, what do you call 400k?

Insanity

@devcon03 I remember you were wondering about this.

friendly reminder that fanfic authors write full length novels for free, and all most of us ask in return is exposure in the form of recommendations, reblogs, and feedback

Not just full length novels, but full-length BOOK SERIES.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stones was 76,944 words.

Eragon was 157k words

The Hobbit was 95,022.words (and yes, those 22 at the end are very important words~)

Anyway, please PLEASE review, comment, and share the fanfictions you like.

These authors are, for free, giving you hours and hours and hours of entertainment.

Thank them.

I have a story that’s over 555,000 words long and still not finished…..
:::sobbing mathematically:::

My first thought was @deadcatwithaflamethrower

I think I’ve hit the 1.5 million words point.

Where does that put me on this scale?

@determamfidd​. Sansukh is nowĀ 

533,141 words. Total wordcount, combined, for The Hobbit and the LotR trilogy is 550,147. 17,006 more words and you’ll have caught up to it! That’s what, one more chapter?

Also tagging @blackkatmagic because her stories seem unable to not cross the 100,000 words limit.

omg… I mean, I already knew I was gonna beat the wordcount of LOTR/The Hobbit (and if you count the Appendices, I already have… by quite a lot)

but the largest wordcount there in that table is 120K, and that can’t be right.Ā surely novels are longer than that?!?!?!

Do you ever listen to music when you write? If so what kind? What’s your favorite? I think that sometimes what you’re listening to affects the writing, at least it does for me when I write.

Not really – I’m a muso, and I’ve been trained since a very young age to give music my full attention. It can be annoying, actually, particularly when you’re watching a film and you miss the dialogue bc you’re listening to the film score, ugh.Ā 

So, I tend to listen to ambient soundscapes when I write, if I listen to anything at all. Mostly not, tbh.Ā 

This is one that I used a bit when writing the Paths of the Dead, for instance.

And The Guild of Ambience are awesome. Seriously awesome.Ā 

Or, I sometimes listen to a piece of music and then write, while the emotions & thoughts the music brought up in me are still strong and fresh. Sometimes I will hear a piece of music and it will instil the urge to write in me, without my direction or intention lmao.

Any advice for first time fanfiction writers?? (Specifically TH/LOTR writers)

I suck at advice! But here’s two points to keep in mind:

1. This is your story.Ā 

Yes, we have an established world, and established and well-loved characters. Yes, it comes with a boatload of rules and history. You can use it, or not. You can change it up, or not. You can research like mad, or not. You can use fanon, or not. You can use a Tolkienesque style, or a modern one, or a mixture of the two. You can go plot-driven, or character-driven. It’s yours now. What does your story require? Whatever it needs, do that.

Dive, dive, dive, and enjoy it. This is meant to be fun.Ā Ā 

2. Write.Ā 

Just write. Write and write and write. Some of it will not be great, some of it will be awesome, you will be amazed at what is in your head sometimes – and other times it will feel like you’re emptied out entirely. But the more you write, the better you get at it. It’s like anything else, be it an instrument or drawing or cooking: if you practice, you will improve.Ā 

(Story time: I have been writing fic for approx 17 years. I was in my late teens when I began. I have made many, MANY shitty stories. I have been the writer with no reviews A LOT. For basically a decade, I chugged along in my own little writing world, making stories that nobody found or was interested in. But I liked them. I worked hard on them and loved them, they were crappy in hindsight but they made me feel things, and that’s what it’s all about I suppose:Ā these are words that make us feel things. That decade was good for me. I didn’t stop writing. I read a lot, I practiced a lot, I got better, people grew interested at last and I was hugely grateful – still am – but in the end, it STILL boils down to whether I like what I’m writing, whether it still makes me feel things. I’m still practicing, every time I sit down to write, I am a student like you. I’m still getting better, I hope. I hope.)

So, don’t stop. You may be discouraged at times. You may love your stuff one day, hate it the next. You may feel like you’re shouting into a black hole of indifference. Just keep going. Cut ruthlessly if you have to, in order to find the pieces of story that make you feel things – the ones that work.Ā Be cruel to your work, kind to yourself. Whine to your friends about how goddamn difficult this section is being. Ask folks to read over parts you are uncertain of. Get friendly feedback in private, from someone you like and trust. Specify what it is you are anxious about (dialogue? pacing? Whatever) and listen to their response. Fix it. Work on it. LOVE ITĀ – it is yours, so love it even when you also hate it. Take your time when you gotta, and then get back onto the horse and keep writing.Ā 

You’re one of us now, Nonnie! Welcome to the fun šŸ™‚

I love every single chapter of SansĆ»kh but I don’t have the patience to comment because “OMG THAT HAPPENED I NEED TO READ THE NEXT CHAPTER ASAP!!” happens :P sadly people often rather voice their dislike than their love for something :/ but I’ll try to comment more because I usually feel in awe of ficwriters and don’t think they are interested on whether I like it or not, which is probably very silly of me

Hey Nonnie!

BELIEVE ME. WE ARE INTERESTED. SO SO INTERESTED.

Soooooooooo interested. VERY.

I know it can be difficult to comment for some folks: I don’t think that post is contesting that.

It is simply the most amazing, rewarding thing to have a comment. Even if it is ā€˜extra kudos!’… Or even just a keysmash.

True, every so often there is a cruddy comment from an entitled and crusty crudmachine. It’s the nice comments, the ones that encourage me along, that help me battle my reaction to those.

and when you’re writing something that takes a very long time, that encouragement goes a VERY long way towards keeping you engaged.

bioticsandheadshots:

The Problem with writing multi-chapter fanfiction.

  • Person leaves kudos, never comments.
  • Person leaves comment on chapter one about how much they love it and are looking forward to reading more. You never hear from them again.
  • Person leaves comments over a span of chapters (be still my heart, seriously I love you) and then stops commenting somewhere in the middle.

Are you still there? Still reading? Did real life take over? Have I failed you in some way? Did it turn into absolute suck and you just didn’t have the heart to tell me?

im not gonna read the sneak peek because, idk, spoilers, but whatever pace your brain is comfortable going at is an ok pace, for me. take care of yourself, and the fic can happen when you are feeling better. im really excited about an update, but you have no obligation to post it any sooner than youre ready, or to update quickly, at all. youve blessed us with so much of your writing and gift and heart, i feel like it’s only fair for us to be compassionate in return. (thank you so much)

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thank you, Nonnie. I’m all right, like I said. I’m managing! I’m not in a downswing… I think, anyway. Just… it’s all just pencil-scribble sometimes, and it’s tiring. I get surges of motivation, and then I burn out. Perhaps I’ve taken on too much at work, it’s very busy rn… idk. Hard to describe. I don’t want to seem like I’m complaining tho! Compared to this time last year, I am A-OK!

I’m gonna keep chipping away at it when I have the energy, and I’m so thankful for the kindness you’re showing me. Thank you SO much. I hope you like it when it is done. *hugs*